As answer to a respectfull but pertinent post from Nuno on internals, I was shocked to read:

“Nuno,

there is a simple answer to your email:

stick your anti Esser propaganda deep into some place noone is interested in.

Before I posted about this, I brought this topic up MONTHS before PHP 5.2 was released. Even before this patch made it into PHP 5.2 from PHP 6 tree.

And now please die or just shut the fuck up. I am sick of morons like you who believe they can attack me without knowing the facts.”

Stefan is often right in his comment and I prefer mad mails describing real problems than nothing (someone said once: “I prefer to be insulted and got a patch than having an insecure server”). But there is a limit to everything. Not only Nuno is one of the nicest guy in PHP but he is also one of the only who will never be rude or take parts of the numerous FUDs and other flames wars. No need to say that Stefan is yet going to far and with the wrong target.

Now talking about the facts, Stefan (sesser) is a PHP developer and his account has full access to the whole PHP projects.

And no trace of any mail from Stefan on internals about this problem. I only found a mail from Wez about this exact issue and yes, it is a real problem that this mail was not followed by a commit instead of getting lost in the internals archive.

Now, ego and jokes apart, is it really impossible to discuss things in a civilized way? If not always, at least on the mailing list?

• Nuno’s post
• Wez’ post
• 18+ post
• sesser’s blog