"There are a lot of things that go into maintainability, but I suggest that the biggies are object-orientation, MVC architecture, code readability, and code size (less is more, a lot more).

This is PHP’ Achilles’ heel, of course. Yes, it is possible to write clean, object-oriented, modular, MVC-style PHP applications. But most people don’t; the majority of apps that I’ve seen have spaghetti PHP code wrapped around spaghetti SQL embedded in spaghetti HTML. Also, a lot of the people who really understand O-O and MVC and maintainability would rather work in Java or Rails."

From a person "working at Sun Microsystems", I would not expect a better description of PHP developers but I have to admit that this guy is courageous. Going to the PHP International Conference to tell them that PHP developers (for the waste majority) are incompetent and not able to write clean code is not what I would do :)

By the way Tim, why Sun has suddenly so much interest in PHP? Plans to educate us? ;)

And to conclude:

"Java is a much richer system and assumes you’re smart enough"

If you are a dumb developer and never put your back on a school chair, PHP is for you.

I go back cooking, I like them "al dente".

Tim Bray comparing frameworks (please someone can tell him that PHP and Ruby are not frameworks but languages?)

ps: yes, I am in a rant mood