58290:May 27 16:28:39 *	Pavlo (~chatzilla@ip.85.202.242.113.dyn.sub-11.broadband.voliacable.com) has joined #php.pecl
158291:May 27 16:33:16 tony2001	Pavlo: how about showing some source code or at least explaining what you're going to do ?
158292:May 27 16:34:55 helly25	hey Pavlo
158293:May 27 16:34:59 helly25	how's it going?
158294:May 27 16:34:59 Pavlo	Hello!
158295:May 27 16:35:05 helly25	nice to meet you
158296:May 27 16:35:19 helly25	gimme a few minutes so i can kick out the guest :-)
158297:May 27 16:35:19 Pavlo	Nice to meet you all :-)
158298:May 27 16:35:33 paulr	helly: do you have a complete win32build.zip ?
158299:May 27 16:35:42 helly25	ask edin
158300:May 27 16:36:14 Pavlo	I applied for an account in PECL
158301:May 27 16:37:31 helly25	great
158302:May 27 16:37:36 tony2001	it's great, but I haven't heard anything about this SoC project and didn't see anything real yet
158303:May 27 16:38:23 Pavlo	Ok, what are you interested in?
158304:May 27 16:38:25 helly25	tony i'll take care of that in a bit
158305:May 27 16:38:43 tony2001	Pavlo: source code?
158306:May 27 16:39:08 Pavlo	No source code yet
158307:May 27 16:39:27 Pavlo	I don't even have a CVS account yet!
158308:May 27 16:39:50 *	paulr assumes pavlo is part of some google summer of code project?
158309:May 27 16:39:52 tony2001	I don't think you need a CVS account to write something
158310:May 27 16:40:24 Pavlo	You're right
158311:May 27 16:40:38 *	paulr wonders what 'some project' is :)
158312:May 27 16:42:02 Pavlo	paulr: you can find the description of all projects at http://code.google.com/soc/php/about.html
158313:May 27 16:42:40 Pavlo	paulr: my project considers implementing c-like preprocessor
158314:May 27 16:43:18 tony2001	so, implement it
158315:May 27 16:44:17 Pavlo	tony2001: I am working on it
158316:May 27 16:44:42 tony2001	great. apply for an account when you have something real
158317:May 27 16:45:46 Pavlo	tony2001: Looks like you are missing something about SoC
158318:May 27 16:45:56 tony2001	maybe
158319:May 27 16:46:16 Pavlo	tony2001: It considers implementing something during the summer, not before the summer
158320:May 27 16:46:27 *	Sebast1an wonders why Antony is acting so weird.
158321:May 27 16:46:58 tony2001	erm
158322:May 27 16:47:28 tony2001	since when do we give CVS accounts for non-existing projects? 
158323:May 27 16:47:49 helly25	we give pecl accounts
158324:May 27 16:47:57 helly25	and we acepted the SoC terms
158325:May 27 16:48:10 Sebast1an	tony2001: This is the Summer of Code. Not all of the normal rules apply so as to lower the barriers for new developers.
158326:May 27 16:48:15 *	mike] nods
158327:May 27 16:48:57 Sebast1an	tony2001: And one of the SoC rules is that all development has to happen in the open and preferably using the mentoring organization's infrastructure.
158328:May 27 16:49:07 Pierre	helly25, maybe first wait to see a tgz and some sources.
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158330:May 27 16:49:31 Pierre	helly25, there is no point to wake up half of the planet before the first line of codes show up
158331:May 27 16:49:43 tony2001	hm. probably I don't understand it. so we're going to create CVS accounts for every person participating in SoC even if this person is not going to do anything really useful?
158332:May 27 16:49:55 Pierre	tony2001, we do not
158333:May 27 16:50:09 Pierre	but I'm sure we will see something about this one :)
158334:May 27 16:50:20 Pierre	tony2001, got a min?
158335:May 27 16:50:24 Pierre	tony2001, not soc related ;)
158336:May 27 16:50:41 lsmith	i will tell my students to develop outside of cvs.php.net until there is something concret enough
158337:May 27 16:50:51 tony2001	"Before filling out this form, please make yourself known on the pecl-dev@lists.php.net mailing list. "
158338:May 27 16:51:01 lsmith	that they can get their package in via a pear proposal
158339:May 27 16:51:03 tony2001	doesn't this apply to ALL PECL projects?
158340:May 27 16:51:07 Pierre	yes
158341:May 27 16:51:08 helly25	yes tony absolutley right
158342:May 27 16:51:21 Pierre	to all php.net projects even (change the name of the lists ;)
158343:May 27 16:52:55 Pierre	"Why not call it a Web 2.1 conference? That would make O’Reilly’s 2.0 obsolete "
158344:May 27 16:52:56 Pierre	hehe
158345:May 27 16:52:58 tony2001	don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. but I really don't see any point in applying for an account when you don't have a line of code
158346:May 27 16:53:11 Pierre	tony2001, and you are right :)
158347:May 27 16:53:18 *	Chocula (~marcot@CPE00146c7a4d87-CM000f9f7f0a5c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #php.pecl
158348:May 27 16:53:32 mike]	Where's the harm?
158349:May 27 16:53:42 *	Cap`nPECL gives channel operator status to Chocula
158350:May 27 16:54:02 mike]	"My" staudent will only have karma for pecl/{$prefix}pdf
158351:May 27 16:54:07 mike]	s/staudent/student
158352:May 27 16:54:11 Pierre	mike], the harm is later. There is no warantee that we will see any line of code
158353:May 27 16:54:32 Pierre	mike], they will have it once they have at least something to show, is it not obvious?
158354:May 27 16:54:40 mike]	So what's the harm? THat we'll have to remove a cvs account?
158355:May 27 16:55:03 Pierre	mike], tell me a) when we removed a cvs account and b) when we removed an empty and broken module
158356:May 27 16:55:10 helly25	there is no harm whatsoever
158357:May 27 16:55:36 tony2001	but there is not sense in creating useless CVS accounts either
158358:May 27 16:55:40 helly25	he simply works on a pecl extension like any other extension author as well
158359:May 27 16:55:42 Pierre	mike], you are nitpicking. There is no reason to give accounts without having saw a single line of code. That was always the case and will always be the case, even for SoC 
158360:May 27 16:55:55 Pierre	helly25, and any other has to show codes before getting an account
158361:May 27 16:56:09 helly25	and during the SoC acceptabce phase we already agreed on the project aka extension in pdf case
158362:May 27 16:56:21 helly25	how is the account useless?
158363:May 27 16:56:23 Pierre	still no trace of sources
158364:May 27 16:56:53 Pierre	helly25, every new comer has to show the sources before getting an account, why should it be different for Soc? 
158365:May 27 16:57:25 Pierre	we are not saying to do not give accounts, but to do not give one until there is actually something to see
158366:May 27 16:58:20 mike]	So you insist on making our lifes harder because of buerocracy?
158367:May 27 16:58:44 Pierre	no, because of being a) consistent b) honest c) realistic
158368:May 27 16:59:16 Pierre	mike], and your lifes is not harder. Show some code and they will get an account. WTF is the problem? :)
158369:May 27 16:59:59 tony2001	why would one need an account when there is no sources to commit?
158370:May 27 17:00:14 Pierre	there is principles and rules, they apply to anyone, even if some big wits think they don't
158371:May 27 17:02:50 *	helly25 gives channel operator status to Pavlo
158372:May 27 17:02:56 Pierre	helly25, LOL
158373:May 27 17:03:02 Pierre	helly25, you are funny :)
158374:May 27 17:03:36 Pierre	helly25, and in case you take it personnally, this has nothing to do with you :-)
158375:May 27 17:04:26 tony2001	sure
158376:May 27 17:04:54 tony2001	it has nothing to do with personalities
158377:May 27 17:05:11 Pierre	Pavlo, a propos, it would be nice if you pop up in the internals list and explain your plans, There is discussions and we all wonder what is the choices and ideas 
158378:May 27 17:05:41 Pierre	Pavlo, it will also be a very good opportunity to get good feedbacks
158379:May 27 17:06:02 Pavlo	Ok, I've already subscribed to
158380:May 27 17:06:09 Pierre	good start :)
158381:May 27 17:06:15 Pavlo	I will formulate my ideas and post there
158382:May 27 17:06:21 Pierre	thank you 
158383:May 27 17:07:32 mike]	Of course you make it harder. You force us to look for another dev infrastructure while there already is a very good one. It was obvious for me to start at pecl-cvs even just with an API draft.
158384:May 27 17:07:57 tony2001	Pavlo: you can even speak Russian to me =)
158385:May 27 17:08:07 helly25	mike], and that is perfectly ok
158386:May 27 17:08:23 helly25	we have enough stuff in our cvs nobody will be using anymore
158387:May 27 17:08:27 helly25	for instance adt
158388:May 27 17:08:37 helly25	and guess what? it doesn't cause us any harm
158389:May 27 17:08:41 helly25	and guess what else?
158390:May 27 17:08:50 Pierre	I do not care.
158391:May 27 17:08:54 helly25	even today adt sources can still be of help to extensions authors
158392:May 27 17:09:00 Pierre	this is how it works, not happy? create your repo.
158393:May 27 17:09:33 Pierre	helly25, or create a skeleton, name the project, write some specs, and put everything in mail to internals and pecl
158394:May 27 17:09:42 Pierre	helly25, it would already *much* better.
158395:May 27 17:10:11 Pierre	for now it is nothing more than: "We have an idea, give me an account"
158396:May 27 17:10:18 Pierre	without offense.
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158398:May 27 17:16:32 Pierre	helly25, you are taking it as a personnal cause ... bad idea :P
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158400:May 27 17:47:40 helly25	Pierre, thanks for making me a fool out of me by infact ignoring our rules
158401:May 27 17:48:22 helly25	the rule is as wez just said (i didn'T want to do that myself) that people in the community can ask others to join and apply for an account
158402:May 27 17:48:52 helly25	and yes the mentors and others involved in the ranking process have seen stuff from the students that made us chose those exact students
158403:May 27 17:49:13 helly25	if there hadn't been very promising candidates we would have had less students
158404:May 27 17:51:41 Pierre	helly25, you are really annoying when you take everything and its mother personally.
158405:May 27 17:52:49 Pierre	helly25, and *AGAIN*, that has nothing to do with the candidates.
158406:May 27 17:57:19 *	helly_ (helly@dslb-084-063-013-138.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #php.pecl
158407:May 27 17:57:35 *	Cap`nPECL gives channel operator status to helly_
158408:May 27 17:57:49 Pierre	Pierre helly25, you are really annoying when you take everything and its mother personally.
158409:May 27 17:57:49 Pierre	Pierre helly25, and *AGAIN*, that has nothing to do with the candidates.
158410:May 27 17:58:34 *	Pavlo has quit (Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618])
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158413:May 27 18:10:23 Pierre	helly25, " everything will be only. "?
158414:May 27 18:10:50 Pierre	it is amazing how people suddenly like to take controls on something they consider as shit the rest of the times.
158415:May 27 18:11:39 Pierre	pop in, put crap, pop out, let them manage the things if somethings goes wrong, that's a great community work ....
158416:May 27 18:12:24 otherbird	oh for pity's sake quit fighting, the lot of yers!
158417:May 27 18:12:49 otherbird	Wez already made a decision, he's PECL King, leave it at that
158418:May 27 18:12:56 Pierre	otherbird, there is *one* thing I'll give up, principle.
158419:May 27 18:13:13 otherbird	climb down
158420:May 27 18:13:29 Pierre	you don't want to read it? don't read it
158421:May 27 18:13:52 Pierre	the point to ask for something before opening an account is *perfectly* valid
158422:May 27 18:14:10 Pierre	and putting me as the stupid administration bastard will not help a single second.
158423:May 27 18:14:34 otherbird	you are being a stupid administration bastard :)
158424:May 27 18:14:57 Pierre	I can point you to mails from helly25 asking a request sources and other references 
158425:May 27 18:14:58 tony2001	I don't think so
158426:May 27 18:15:14 Pierre	and all of a sudden, we give away accounts like popcorns at a party?
158427:May 27 18:15:18 otherbird	I know you don't, but at least you're not screaming about it after Wez made his decision
158428:May 27 18:15:29 Pierre	heh it's SoC, let give them everything without a clue about what they do.
158429:May 27 18:15:40 Pierre	otherbird, he is not alone to decide.
158430:May 27 18:16:04 otherbird	nor are you.
158431:May 27 18:16:14 Pierre	otherbird, I stick to what *WE* decide.
158432:May 27 18:16:18 otherbird	and he has rather more rights there than you do, tbh.
158433:May 27 18:16:24 Pierre	otherbird, I stick to what we do since the day #1.
158434:May 27 18:16:36 Pierre	otherbird, ah yes? check your history mrs.
158435:May 27 18:17:01 otherbird	there's nothing wrong with history, except you always seem to think it has an owner
158436:May 27 18:17:09 Pierre	nobody has more rights than another, there is rules and principles. stick to them.
158437:May 27 18:17:26 otherbird	Pierre: did you even bother to read the SoC rules?
158438:May 27 18:17:39 Pierre	wrong question.
158439:May 27 18:17:50 otherbird	right question
158440:May 27 18:17:54 Pierre	did *they* ever bother to introduce their work, needs, and plans?
158441:May 27 18:18:06 otherbird	you want google to bow to you now?
158442:May 27 18:18:08 otherbird	lol
158443:May 27 18:18:08 Pierre	otherbird, NO, you keep reverting the roles. I don't.
158444:May 27 18:18:16 Pierre	the mentors and the students.
158445:May 27 18:18:30 Pierre	in that case, the mentors are gulty, they have to introduce them to us.
158446:May 27 18:18:38 otherbird	I think they already did a fair job on the site tbh
158447:May 27 18:18:41 Pierre	and not throw them in the arena like a hot potato.
158448:May 27 18:18:52 helly25	yep sorry for spending my time
158449:May 27 18:18:52 Pierre	otherbird, TBH: I don't care
158450:May 27 18:18:54 otherbird	you didn't look, in other words
158451:May 27 18:19:01 Pierre	helly25, you are volunteer :)
158452:May 27 18:19:14 otherbird	right, so stop going on about it and let the rest of us get on with something productive :)
158453:May 27 18:19:22 Pierre	otherbird, that does not change the fact that they have follow our (rather simple) rules
158454:May 27 18:19:39 Pierre	otherbird, don't read the thread if you cannot work.
158455:May 27 18:20:37 *	SaraMG wanders into some kind of biazzo world drama 
158456:May 27 18:20:48 helly25	:-)
158457:May 27 18:20:48 otherbird	Pierre: why do you have to turn _everything_ into some bloody personal attack?
158458:May 27 18:20:55 Pierre	otherbird, I do nto
158459:May 27 18:20:57 *	otherbird waves a banana at SaraMG
158460:May 27 18:21:08 otherbird	- saves smearing it on the kb -
158461:May 27 18:21:25 SaraMG	Is this about the cvs account thing on pecl-dev?
158462:May 27 18:21:35 otherbird	psychic, hm?
158463:May 27 18:21:36 helly25	Sara i directed my student to look a bit into the streaming stuff - remeber Sebastian's question?
158464:May 27 18:21:38 Pierre	otherbird, I do not :) My person does not give a shit about that. But from a principle point of view, I *have* to stand up and ask to respect the rules.
158465:May 27 18:22:01 SaraMG	helly: no recollection....which project was yours?
158466:May 27 18:22:02 Pierre	otherbird, short version: no matter who or what, codes count.
158467:May 27 18:22:11 helly25	the pre-processor one
158468:May 27 18:22:14 otherbird	'codes count'?
158469:May 27 18:22:15 SaraMG	gotcha
158470:May 27 18:22:19 otherbird	can I use that? :)
158471:May 27 18:22:34 Pierre	otherbird, sources/choose the word you understand
158472:May 27 18:22:52 *	otherbird is going to break a rule and print something from irc
158473:May 27 18:22:54 helly25	one solution is to stream all incoming scripts, or actually those you want to be preprocessed and have the streams layer do the preprocessing as a filter
158474:May 27 18:22:55 Pierre	otherbird, you cannot use IRC as reference, it is IRC :)
158475:May 27 18:23:15 Pierre	otherbird, and don't even try to put me as the bad guy in the ZWN
158476:May 27 18:23:18 SaraMG	pierre: This SoC thing is different, we're bringing someone new into extdev, it'll help if we can all see his code as he develops it.   Seeing his cvs commits (even his bad ones) is a good spot to do that.
158477:May 27 18:23:24 helly25	which means in his filter he can do anything he wonts, it simply becomes a regular pecl extension
158478:May 27 18:23:29 otherbird	Pierre: aw c'mon, it's the only fun I get :)
158479:May 27 18:23:38 Pierre	otherbird, you are warned
158480:May 27 18:23:59 Pierre	SaraMG, I only ask to first see some line of codes and the ideas, like it is *always* the case for *anyone*
158481:May 27 18:24:02 SaraMG sascha- scoAtes Sebast1an Shadda StormTide Striki_ May 27 18:24:02 SaraMG sascha- scoAtes Sebast1an Shadda StormTide Striki_ May 27 18:24:07 Pierre	SaraMG, actually not only me :)
158482:May 27 18:24:14 *	otherbird is bored with being threatened every time certain people get paranoid
158483:May 27 18:24:34 SaraMG	That's for his mentor to do.
158484:May 27 18:24:36 otherbird	Pierre: if you'd looked at the proposals you'd have seen both
158485:May 27 18:25:01 Pierre	otherbird, "You have announced a new PECL package to the PECL-Dev mailing list, it's name has been OKed, and you wish to register/upload a release to the pecl website."
158486:May 27 18:25:16 Pierre	otherbird, from the account request page
158487:May 27 18:25:22 SaraMG	Fine.
158488:May 27 18:25:33 SaraMG	How about we make an soc module
158489:May 27 18:25:42 SaraMG sascha- scoAtes Sebast1an Shadda StormTide Striki_ May 27 18:25:52 SaraMG	then when the projects are ready, we move then to pecl
158490:May 27 18:25:53 otherbird	Pierre: and yet you were around when Pavlo was asked to open a PECL CVS account for his project
158491:May 27 18:26:08 otherbird	you just started yelling about it after he went ahead.
158492:May 27 18:26:09 SaraMG	Needless extra step imo, but maybe it'll make everyone happy
158493:May 27 18:26:13 Pierre	otherbird, and I told him exactly that.
158494:May 27 18:26:26 *	Pierre has kicked otherbird from #php.pecl (otherbird)
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158496:May 27 18:26:32 otherbird	SaraMG: pacifism'll get you everywhere :)
158497:May 27 18:26:33 Pierre	otherbird, I don't yell.
158498:May 27 18:26:48 otherbird	nah, you just kick and go *G* a lot
158499:May 27 18:26:49 Pierre	otherbird, I asked basic principle to be respected :)
158500:May 27 18:27:04 SaraMG	bird: You know me...
158501:May 27 18:27:14 otherbird	pacific swimmer...
158502:May 27 18:27:30 *	otherbird can't remember where she got up to with tracking these thread id's now
158503:May 27 18:28:19 SaraMG	pierre: we shouldn't be doing this in msg
158504:May 27 18:28:46 otherbird	ooh
158505:May 27 18:28:48 SaraMG	you either want this public or you don't.
158506:May 27 18:28:58 SaraMG	you don't get it both ways
158507:May 27 18:29:14 *	otherbird waits with interest
158508:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre please please please please please 
158509:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre why is it a problem to *introduce* each projects on the list?
158510:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	SaraMG These projects have all been announced, reviewed, and approved already.
158511:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre they have not been announced, not introduced and not described
158512:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	SaraMG http://code.google.com/soc/   yes they have
158513:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre please drop a mail to internals, explain the idea and the choices
158514:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre why is it so hard to understand?
158515:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre and no, I will not go to code.google.com
158516:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	SaraMG I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand....
158517:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre because we pissed hundred of people for the same reasons
158518:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre and I see no reason to change the rules for Mr. Boerger and SoC
158519:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre the discussion is saner here :)
158520:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre I mean, we keep it as an argumentation level...
158521:May 27 18:29:24 Pierre	Pierre let say  more mature :)
158522:May 27 18:29:30 SaraMG	bird: pierre is feeling ganged up on
158523:May 27 18:29:59 otherbird	SaraMG: and so he should :)
158524:May 27 18:30:00 *	SaraMG didn't even see those last few lines
158525:May 27 18:30:09 SaraMG	ignore shields are already up
158526:May 27 18:30:23 otherbird	good idea
158527:May 27 18:30:56 Sebast1an	Divert power from life support to the shields!
158528:May 27 18:31:29 SaraMG	It's not like we have a precedent of always requiring announce/review/approve
158529:May 27 18:31:40 Pierre	we do have many...
158530:May 27 18:31:44 otherbird	Captain, the engines are going as fast as they can already! I don't know if they can take any more!
158531:May 27 18:31:54 SaraMG	core devs have long had the priveledge of being able to toss whatever they want into pecl cvs/packaging
158532:May 27 18:32:29 SaraMG	And these are projects which are being managed by core devs
158533:May 27 18:32:38 Pierre	SaraMG, not really. The only one I can think about is Sterling, and he got a sermon for a couple of days. the gulty ext is lying in cvs, orphaned, great
158534:May 27 18:32:52 SaraMG	dude
158535:May 27 18:32:55 otherbird	simplexml? :)
158536:May 27 18:33:11 SaraMG	name ONE of my packages that I actually went through announce/approve process on
158537:May 27 18:33:12 Pierre	but still, we are not asking the mood but to actually show up with something.
158538:May 27 18:33:14 SaraMG	name ONE
158539:May 27 18:33:22 Pierre	SaraMG, did I say you did?
158540:May 27 18:33:37 SaraMG	You said you could only think of one package
158541:May 27 18:33:45 SaraMG	I'm saying I can think of dozens
158542:May 27 18:33:57 Pierre	SaraMG, of one person having commited without asking and showing the sources before
158543:May 27 18:34:01 SaraMG	which is a lot in a population of a couple hundred
158544:May 27 18:34:35 SaraMG	And I'm saying I commit without asking or showing source all the time
158545:May 27 18:34:38 SaraMG	as do others
158546:May 27 18:34:42 Pierre	and I cannot remember of a creation of an account without having seen anything
158547:May 27 18:34:50 Pierre	SaraMG, not in pecl
158548:May 27 18:34:56 otherbird	oh yeah, spl...
158549:May 27 18:35:03 *	otherbird finds thread ids again
158550:May 27 18:35:06 SaraMG	of course in pecl
158551:May 27 18:35:39 Pierre	SaraMG, point me to the last account request we accepted without having seen any sources or specs?
158552:May 27 18:35:59 otherbird	json probably
158553:May 27 18:36:04 SaraMG	would you focus?????
158554:May 27 18:36:14 Pierre	otherbird, no, he showed the src before
158555:May 27 18:36:18 SaraMG	I'm not talking about accounts, I'm talking about packages
158556:May 27 18:36:26 otherbird	Sara's stuff then :)
158557:May 27 18:36:31 Pierre	SaraMG, I'm talking about accounts (and packages with some extends)
158558:May 27 18:36:54 Pierre	SaraMG, and my answers are to the account request posts
158559:May 27 18:36:55 SaraMG	And you're refusing to engage in this conversation
158560:May 27 18:36:55 Novell	Pierre: but these SoC projects aren't your average "I need CVS account to get PHP source" CVS account requests =)
158561:May 27 18:37:08 Pierre	Novell, at this point, they are
158562:May 27 18:37:10 Pierre	Novell, :)
158563:May 27 18:37:19 SaraMG	If you're just going to stand there and parrot the same mierda over and over again then there's no point in me wasting my breath
158564:May 27 18:37:43 Pierre	I do not and I'm done with this topic since a good hour
158565:May 27 18:37:48 otherbird	LOL
158566:May 27 18:37:58 Pierre	except that otherbird and you are still looking to argue :)
158567:May 27 18:37:58 SaraMG	pierre: shut the fuck up
158568:May 27 18:38:03 SaraMG	pierre: shut the fuck up
158569:May 27 18:38:07 Pierre	SaraMG, thank you, appreciate.
158570:May 27 18:38:12 SaraMG	pierre: shut the fuck up
158571:May 27 18:38:27 *	Pierre has kicked SaraMG from #php.pecl (be pollite.)
158572:May 27 18:38:28 *	Novell throws some cold water over the channel
158573:May 27 18:38:34 otherbird	nooooooooooo!
158574:May 27 18:38:35 *	SaraMG (~sarag@talos.alphaweb.net) has joined #php.pecl
158575:May 27 18:38:37 Pierre	enough.
158576:May 27 18:38:47 SaraMG	enough from you asshole
158577:May 27 18:38:50 Pierre	ok, are we done?
158578:May 27 18:38:52 mike]	dammiit, I have no op ;)
158579:May 27 18:39:03 Pierre	SaraMG, excuse meß
158580:May 27 18:39:08 Pierre	SaraMG, ?
158581:May 27 18:39:08 *	SaraMG turns up the ignore
158582:May 27 18:39:30 Pierre	no need, I keep quiet.
158583:May 27 18:39:37 Tcl interface unloaded
158584:May 27 18:39:37 Python interface unloaded
158585:**** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 27 18:39:37 2006
158587:**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 27 18:40:22 2006
158589:May 27 18:40:22 *	Now talking on #php.pecl
158590:May 27 18:40:22 *	Topic for #php.pecl is: http://code.google.com/soc/php/about.html
158591:May 27 18:40:22 *	Playing quicklog...
158592:May 27 18:40:22 *	SaraMG doesn'tneed that kind of bad mojo
158593:May 27 18:40:22 *	End of quicklog.
158594:May 27 18:41:12 *steph*@* added to ignore list.
158595:May 27 18:48:28 Unknown arg 'None' ignored.May 27 18:48:28 Usage: IGNORE <mask> <types..> <options..>
158600:May 27 18:50:21 Tcl interface unloaded
158601:May 27 18:50:21 Python interface unloaded
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158604:**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 27 18:50:23 2006
158606:May 27 18:50:23 *	Now talking on #php.pecl
158607:May 27 18:50:23 *	Topic for #php.pecl is: http://code.google.com/soc/php/about.html
158608:May 27 18:51:03 Pierre	otherbird, one last thing: http://pastebin.com/741365 just in case you want to lie again ;)
158609:May 27 18:54:16 lsmith	*sigh*
158610:May 27 18:56:19 helly25	Pierre, a very big thank you to scare away my student
158611:May 27 18:56:26 helly25	i am sure he won't come here again
158612:May 27 18:56:47 *	Davey|Lap has quit (Ping timeout: 310 seconds)
158613:May 27 18:57:06 Pierre	helly25, put the fault on me if you like.
158614:May 27 18:57:19 helly25	yes i do
158615:May 27 18:57:28 lsmith	Pierre: let it go ..
158616:May 27 18:57:37 helly25	it's your unbelievable way your respnded in your mail
158617:May 27 18:57:51 tony2001	or me. I think I can handle this too
158618:May 27 18:58:38 lsmith	i think its good if the students do introduce themselves and their project .. but i think we can all trust helly25 or any of the other mentors to handle things appropriately
158619:May 27 18:58:48 Pierre	helly25, http://pastebin.com/741365
158620:May 27 18:58:50 tony2001	it looks like there are only two ways: yours and the wrong one.
158621:May 27 18:58:59 Pierre	helly25, so now, please open your mind, your eyes and be cooler.
158622:May 27 18:59:42 helly25	yeah i've read that
158623:May 27 18:59:58 helly25	and guess what, guess why he was here in this channel
158624:May 27 19:00:10 helly25	it was because i kindly suggested he does so
158625:May 27 19:00:11 Pierre	anyway, enough of that. 1000 lines too much to discuss in circle the same issues....
158626:May 27 19:00:24 Pierre	helly25, yeah you are soooo good, soooo nice, smack.
158627:May 27 19:00:24 tony2001	true
158628:May 27 19:00:26 lsmith	yeah, please
158629:May 27 19:00:28 helly25	and i of course already asked him to do introduce himslef to the list
158630:May 27 19:01:24 lsmith	ok .. can we find a new topic .. heck i would even prefer talking about star trek ..
158631:May 27 19:01:25 tony2001	but he just applied for CVS account and started this "useful" discussion
158632:May 27 19:01:34 Pierre	lsmith, atlantis? :)
158633:May 27 19:01:52 helly25	sorry he was already in private discussions with some people from the community
158634:May 27 19:02:03 Pierre	private private private
158635:May 27 19:02:15 Pierre	when all we ask is a public introduction, clever.
158636:May 27 19:02:19 helly25	he migth have been under the impression that allows him to do a few formal things later
158637:May 27 19:02:29 lsmith	then again .. i guess he is learning that OSS people are pationate about everything
158638:May 27 19:02:30 helly25	and instead start asking people and getting to know them
158639:May 27 19:02:50 tony2001	obviously he was wrong
158640:May 27 19:02:55 Pierre	helly25, let it go, topic covered by all possible arguments.
158641:May 27 19:03:00 helly25	Pierre, sorry but the terms and condtions didn't allow to make everything public
158642:May 27 19:03:12 helly25	and sorry i canot do everything
158643:May 27 19:03:23 Pierre	so the terms and conditions suck and it is a mistake in the first place.
158644:May 27 19:03:25 helly25	i sometimes have work and also friends that take time
158645:May 27 19:03:47 Pierre	(from a OS point of view I mean)
158646:May 27 19:04:06 SaraMG	pierre: We get it.  You don't trust marcus, you don't like conversations that accomplish their goal, and you want everything repeated on list where it can be run in circles until the cows come home.  WE GET IT.  Now can you come off your high horse and accept the fact that this guy HAS been introduced, his project HAS been approved, and he IS ready to start showing his code.
158647:May 27 19:04:19 helly25	Pierre: Greg Stein <gstein@google.com> tell him he's an asshole and his soc sucks for you
158648:May 27 19:04:21 SaraMG	pierre: STOP GETTING IN THE WAY, you're being the problem here
158649:May 27 19:04:23 SaraMG	YOU
158650:May 27 19:04:29 Pierre	helly25, what surprises me is why it happens only with PHP? When in other projects, the candidates and the mentors introduced themselves nicelly?
158651:May 27 19:04:32 Derick	moin
158652:May 27 19:04:36 Pierre	SaraMG, and tony :)
158653:May 27 19:04:36 helly25	btw, he's also asf president and thuse probbaly even chief of rasmus
158654:May 27 19:04:38 *	Derick gets popcorn
158655:May 27 19:05:01 tony2001	yes, and me too
158656:May 27 19:05:04 paulr	derick: what changed? 
158657:May 27 19:05:19 Derick	paulr: I've no idea yet
158658:May 27 19:05:24 chinstrap	Derick: may I have some, too? :-)
158659:May 27 19:05:28 Derick	seems to be heated here though
158660:May 27 19:05:36 Pierre	chinstrap, I filled my popcorns box :)
158661:May 27 19:05:36 Novell	Derick: share! =)
158662:May 27 19:05:40 SaraMG	tony: You don't think derick can be trusted to add code to a new pecl ext?
158663:May 27 19:05:46 paulr	Derick: I seem to recall when I first came in a php channel a couple of years ago
158664:May 27 19:05:47 SaraMG	erm...
158665:May 27 19:05:50 SaraMG	s/derick/marcus/
158666:May 27 19:06:00 paulr	that I was kind of made to feel somewhat welcome
158667:May 27 19:06:02 Derick	SaraMG: you know I can't be trusted :)
158668:May 27 19:06:10 SaraMG	derick: what time is it?
158669:May 27 19:06:20 Derick	SaraMG: dra til helvete ;-)
158670:May 27 19:06:33 paulr	things seem to have changed, maybe people should reflect on whether that is a good thing :)
158671:May 27 19:06:47 tony2001	Derick? no, I'm ok with Derick. but I'm not ok with some "person-from-soc-project-who's-too-lazy-to-introduce-himself"
158672:May 27 19:07:05 SaraMG	He did introduce himself
158673:May 27 19:07:18 tony2001	please point me to his mail where he did so
158674:May 27 19:07:22 SaraMG	internals@ is not the only discussion forum
158675:May 27 19:07:44 tony2001	okay, so he introduced himself in /dev/null ?
158676:May 27 19:07:50 SaraMG	He submitted an SoC proposal (which was approved by several people here and several not here), he came to IRC
158677:May 27 19:07:52 Pierre	it is for anything that goes in php.net (respectivelly pecl-dev or pear-dev)
158678:May 27 19:08:09 SaraMG	he made several exchanges with Marcus as well
158679:May 27 19:08:28 SaraMG	Again, DO YOU TRUST MARCUS TO PUT THINGS INTO PECL CVS?
158680:May 27 19:08:32 Pierre	SaraMG, no
158681:May 27 19:08:32 tony2001	SaraMG: I know, it's pretty hard to believe that I don't read any SoC proposals and I haven't heard anything about him.
158682:May 27 19:08:35 SaraMG	Noone has answered that question yet
158683:May 27 19:08:36 Pierre	:-)
158684:May 27 19:08:36 tony2001	but that's true
158685:May 27 19:08:49 SaraMG	pierre: okay, then I understand your position better
158686:May 27 19:08:55 SaraMG	You hate marcus
158687:May 27 19:08:59 Pierre	neither
158688:May 27 19:09:30 Pierre	but it is a concept very hard to understand (hot, kitchen, personally9
158689:May 27 19:09:40 SaraMG	tony: If you don't know what's going on, you should wait until you do before weighing in on it.
158690:May 27 19:09:58 tony2001	I DO trust Marcus, but that's not about Marcus. that's about rules that apply to everyone
158691:May 27 19:10:06 SaraMG	It is about marcus.
158692:May 27 19:10:16 tony2001	nope
158693:May 27 19:10:21 Pierre	it is not, that's where is (your) problem
158694:May 27 19:10:21 SaraMG	It's about Marcus's student.  Someone who's acting under marcus' direction
158695:May 27 19:10:26 helly25	it is think of what you are doing
158696:May 27 19:10:28 tony2001	I don't care who's the mentor
158697:May 27 19:10:38 helly25	you do
158698:May 27 19:10:52 helly25	he did because i asked him to do so
158699:May 27 19:11:08 Pierre	helly25, "Greg Stein <gstein@google.com> tell him he's an asshole and his soc sucks for you" try in german, I don't get the sense ...
158700:May 27 19:11:12 helly25	so by scaring him away you say that you knwo everything about him better than me
158701:May 27 19:11:28 Pierre	we did not scary him away...
158702:May 27 19:11:41 helly25	you say that my descussions with him and those we had in the soc process asre worthless and untrustful
158703:May 27 19:11:41 SaraMG	How would you react if marcus checked in code to pecl/preproc/*
158704:May 27 19:11:42 lsmith	puh .. i need some silence
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158706:May 27 19:11:54 Pierre	but you did a mistake by not introducing him on the list, with his project.
158707:May 27 19:11:57 tony2001	I don't care if you did ask him to do that or not, but applying for an account when you don't have anything ready is useless
158708:May 27 19:12:01 Pierre	SaraMG, the same
158709:May 27 19:12:26 SaraMG	pierre: If you don't know what's going on,you shouldn't act like you do by injecting your half-baked ideas
158710:May 27 19:12:32 Pierre	but now, can we go back to some other topics?
158711:May 27 19:12:42 SaraMG	tony: THAT I agree with
158712:May 27 19:12:51 Pierre	SaraMG, it is up to them to let the lists know what's going on, not the other way
158713:May 27 19:13:13 tony2001	SaraMG: THAT is what I was saying during the last hout
158714:May 27 19:13:15 tony2001	hour
158715:May 27 19:13:21 SaraMG	pierre: No, it's not.  This is a project that the lists don't need to care about if the readership isn't concerned.
158716:May 27 19:13:24 Pierre	SaraMG, and I don't say anything else than what tony just said, request an account when you have something to show...
158717:May 27 19:13:39 SaraMG	Pierre: You've been saying a lot more than that
158718:May 27 19:14:41 Pierre	SaraMG, no, you have been insulting me and telling that I have to STFU and other nice words. But I keep saying that an account *must* be done with the sources code (at least a start of work).
158719:May 27 19:14:44 Pierre	arg
158720:May 27 19:14:49 Pierre	we are discussing it again :P
158721:May 27 19:15:08 SaraMG	Because you can't butt out of business that has nothing to do with you
158722:May 27 19:15:39 Pierre	SaraMG, I will remember you that with your next problem there.
158723:May 27 19:15:55 Pierre	and now, excuse me, I have real things to finish...
158724:May 27 19:16:23 SaraMG	do that
158725:May 27 19:16:59 Pierre	I don't need you to know what I have to do :)
158726:May 27 19:17:07 Pierre	but thanks for the advice ;)
158727:May 27 19:24:34 *	`Davey` has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
158728:May 27 19:27:15 *	Derick removes channel operator status from Pierre
158729:May 27 19:27:17 *	Cap`nPECL removes channel operator status from Derick
158730:May 27 19:27:17 *	Cap`nPECL gives channel operator status to Pierre
158731:May 27 19:27:28 Pierre	Derick, what's your problem now?
158732:May 27 19:27:40 Derick	you've been kicking too many people here for no good reason
158733:May 27 19:27:59 Pierre	two for being insulted, no harm but on me.
158734:May 27 19:28:10 Derick	you simply don't agree with others and then you're just stuffing your head in the sand again as usual
158735:May 27 19:28:11 Pierre	and I have been kicked for much more less than that
158736:May 27 19:28:38 Pierre	Derick, being told that I'm an asshole, a liar or a to STFU is not about agreeing or not.
158737:May 27 19:28:54 SaraMG	You're not a liar pierre
158738:May 27 19:28:57 SaraMG	You're just petty
158739:May 27 19:29:12 Pierre	SaraMG, that was not you, and now please stop to compliment me, enough.
158740:May 27 19:29:22 Derick	i don't think someboyd called you a liar here... perhaps an asshole but I seem that quite justified considering the current context
158741:May 27 19:29:55 Pierre	Derick, there is *no* reason to say that to anybody here. We are civilized. Discussions should stay at technical levels and do not be taken personnally.
158742:May 27 19:30:06 Pierre	s/we are/we should be/
158743:May 27 19:30:24 Derick	i wouldn't call your behavior here the past 4 hours civilized
158744:May 27 19:30:28 Pierre	Derick, however, the "heh, it's Pierre" made it again, so it goes.
158745:May 27 19:31:09 Derick	maybe you should ask yourself why people feel like that
158746:May 27 19:31:21 Pierre	why people? you are not the "people"
158747:May 27 19:31:36 *	SaraMG stands next to derick, "okay, now we're plural"
158748:May 27 19:31:47 Pierre	I have to admit that I'm somehow about SaraMG animosity, I did not expect that from her
158749:May 27 19:32:05 *	lsmith (vandal@i577B61E5.versanet.de) has joined #php.pecl
158750:May 27 19:32:06 Pierre	+surprised
158751:May 27 19:32:15 paulr	lsmith: you want to part again btw ;)
158752:May 27 19:32:21 lsmith	ah
158753:May 27 19:32:22 *	lsmith (vandal@i577B61E5.versanet.de) has left #php.pecl
158754:May 27 19:32:27 mike]	lol
158755:May 27 19:32:46 SaraMG	Pierre: You want to know where my animosity is coming from?
158756:May 27 19:33:07 Pierre	if it is about adding more to the stack, not really
158757:May 27 19:33:19 Pierre	however, it is free speech here
158758:May 27 19:33:27 SaraMG	Some new blood comes in, ready to learn, ready to contribute, ready to do something useful, and he gets smacked upside the head with bad attitude
158759:May 27 19:34:23 Pierre	SaraMG, I did not say anything to him but what I said on the list and what is in the logs (introduce to internals)
158760:May 27 19:34:29 SaraMG	You try to stand there parroting on about "procedure" (a procedure which isn't followed anyway) to justify your rudeness
158761:May 27 19:34:30 Pierre	SaraMG, about the bad attitude, tell me about it.
158762:May 27 19:34:39 tony2001	if "bad attitude" == "follow the rules", then this new blood sucks
158763:May 27 19:34:43 SaraMG	Understand this.
158764:May 27 19:35:25 SaraMG	I'll see y'all tuesday
158765:May 27 19:35:29 *	SaraMG (~sarag@talos.alphaweb.net) has left #php.pecl
158766:May 27 19:35:42 helly25	tony we have the rule that we can direct people to get an account to help us in translation extension writing and what ever
158767:May 27 19:36:14 helly25	we would then second that account request and people simply get the account
158768:May 27 19:36:25 helly25	it has always been the case since years
158769:May 27 19:36:36 helly25	thus it is a rule
158770:May 27 19:36:39 Pierre	anyway, you are right, we are wrong, you are gods, we are vassals.
158771:May 27 19:36:59 helly25	pleae follow the ruleand let me approve my stuent
158772:May 27 19:37:20 tony2001	helly25: people always had to send some patches/addons before applying for an account 
158773:May 27 19:37:25 helly25	no
158774:May 27 19:37:28 Pierre	yes.
158775:May 27 19:37:30 tony2001	this is common practice
158776:May 27 19:37:37 helly25	what code does a translator send?
158777:May 27 19:37:47 Pierre	helly25, patches/addons.
158778:May 27 19:37:54 Pierre	that does not mean C/PHP only.
158779:May 27 19:37:56 tony2001	and I don't remember any exceptions
158780:May 27 19:38:11 helly25	common prctise is that a request that is approved by any respected commnity member is simply being crated/granted
158781:May 27 19:38:19 tony2001	sure, DocBook XML diffs are also accepted
158782:May 27 19:39:05 Pierre	helly25, completelly new project, new extension, new person. Sure, let create the account without asking anything.
158783:May 27 19:39:18 Pierre	grbl, can we just *stop*...
158784:May 27 19:39:52 Pierre	none of us will agree on anything about that... that's the problem with discussions about principles and rules...
158785:May 27 19:42:32 Pierre	back to technical things
158786:May 27 19:42:53 Pierre	what could be the difference between a exit() inside a function and in the global context?
158787:May 27 19:43:30 Pierre	I thought the shutdown will just be the same, once we left the function context
158788:May 27 19:44:00 helly25	http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-dev&m=114478010104570&w=2
158789:May 27 19:44:15 helly25	Pierre i didn't see any code involved there
158790:May 27 19:44:24 helly25	i wasn't even asked
158791:May 27 19:44:25 Pierre	helly25, because you don't read
158792:May 27 19:44:37 Pierre	helly25, he sent *me* docs that I commited
158793:May 27 19:44:40 helly25	can you revert that account pelase and restart discussing that account?
158794:May 27 19:44:55 Pierre	helly25, and I discussed the account on the list.
158795:May 27 19:45:11 Pierre	helly25, bad luck, try another...or just let it go
158796:May 27 19:45:33 helly25	hu?
158797:May 27 19:45:48 Pierre	I mean to stop discussing that, pointless...
158798:May 27 19:46:03 helly25	so waht?
158799:May 27 19:46:06 Pierre	in the sense that we are not goint to agree on something here
158800:May 27 19:46:10 Pierre	-t+g
158801:May 27 19:46:11 helly25	you decide you can do whatever you want?
158802:May 27 19:46:18 Pierre	I did not do anything
158803:May 27 19:46:22 Pierre	in case you did not notice
158804:May 27 19:46:30 Pierre	helly25, and the account has been opened by wez
158805:May 27 19:46:51 helly25	you suggested that person to get an account and approved it
158806:May 27 19:46:55 helly25	so was i doing
158807:May 27 19:47:11 Pierre	helly25, but as you have read the account request page and my reply, you know that you have to name the project so we can grant access to the right module
158808:May 27 19:47:27 Pierre	"you suggested that person to get an account and approved it" bitte?
158809:May 27 19:47:47 Pierre	actually no, no matter....
158810:May 27 19:47:52 Pierre	Pierre back to technical things
158811:May 27 19:47:52 Pierre	Pierre what could be the difference between a exit() inside a function and in the global context?
158812:May 27 19:47:52 Pierre	Pierre I thought the shutdown will just be the same, once we left the function context
158813:May 27 19:48:14 helly25	why do you think someone would answer/help you?
158814:May 27 19:48:35 Pierre	besides, there is a wonderfull community, you are open minds, you love discussions
158815:May 27 19:48:45 Pierre	and, last but not least, you don't take things personnally
158816:May 27 19:48:57 Pierre	for these reasons?
158817:May 27 19:49:20 Pierre	or is it just an illusion and we should just see the facts? 
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158819:May 27 19:53:13 manfred_	hi lsmith :)
158820:May 27 19:53:16 paulr	wb
158821:May 27 19:53:17 lsmith	aloha manfred_
158822:May 27 19:53:37 lsmith	hrmm .. its good for the frisbee pitches to get some rain
158823:May 27 19:53:46 lsmith	but its getting to be more than enough
158824:May 27 19:54:01 manfred_	uh... frisbee
158825:May 27 19:55:35 Pierre	lsmith, the garden here is a swimming pool now :P
158826:May 27 19:56:00 lsmith	manfred: i am working on my return to the frisbee scene
158827:May 27 19:56:09 chinstrap	here it stopped, meanwhile...
158828:May 27 19:56:12 manfred_	lsmith: hehe yeah
158829:May 27 19:56:14 lsmith	just pondering if i should still try to play at top level or not
158830:May 27 19:56:36 lsmith	i would love to win a german championship at least once in my life ..
158831:May 27 19:56:40 lsmith	but ..
158832:May 27 19:57:57 manfred_	.oO(???)
158833:May 27 19:58:10 lsmith	well but that means training hard, playing hard
158834:May 27 19:58:16 paulr	Pierre: is the behaviour not identical?
158835:May 27 19:58:21 lsmith	and my knee will probably never get as stable as it used to
158836:May 27 19:58:27 Pierre	paulr, it seems not
158837:May 27 19:58:42 helly25	chinstrap, did you see me last zend api additon, the zend_class_entry into zend_property_info?
158838:May 27 19:58:55 helly25	it should be kind of useful for ext/reflection
158839:May 27 19:59:06 >paulr<	http://pastebin.com/741410 segfaults, move exit out and it works (mysql)
158840:May 27 20:01:51 chinstrap	didn't realize that but I'll put it on my looong todo :-)
158841:May 27 20:02:02 chinstrap	Sebast1an: btw. where are the tests :-)
158842:May 27 20:02:37 helly25	chinstrap, where are the parameter declarations? :-)
158843:May 27 20:03:28 chinstrap	go and guess :-)
158844:May 27 20:03:50 helly25	beep wrong answer
158845:May 27 20:04:01 chinstrap	but quite on top
158846:May 27 20:04:56 chinstrap	I hope to do some reflection work this evening (after returning the car to my parents - which might take some time for smalltalk...)) or tomorrow (which currently is free from other stuff)
158847:May 27 20:05:33 helly25	weeeee & cooool
158848:May 27 20:05:36 *	Davey` has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
158849:May 27 20:10:19 Sebast1an	chinstrap: Takk!
158850:May 27 20:11:04 *	bjori has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
158851:May 27 20:11:25 Pierre	http://cruisecontrol.sourceforge.net/
158852:May 27 20:11:32 Pierre	anyone already tried it?
158853:May 27 20:12:57 Sebast1an	Pierre: Sebastian Nohn has a box set up with CruiseControl that checks PHP_5_2 using "make test" and the unit tests of other projects after every commit.
158854:May 27 20:13:14 Pierre	Sebast1an, nice :)
158855:May 27 20:14:52 Pierre	Sebast1an, it would be nice to have such setup under php.net, a good complement for gcov (and more "realtime"). I will try it for gd and p :)
158856:May 27 20:20:09 Pierre	Wow
158857:May 27 20:20:14 Pierre	helly25, you are provocating.
158858:May 27 20:20:32 helly25	Sebast1an, that's cool, is he doing some statistics et all?
158859:May 27 20:21:28 Sebast1an	helly25: CruiseControl does that automatically, IIRC.
158860:May 27 20:21:45 Sebast1an	helly25: Showing the differences between CVS commits to PHP, for instance.
158861:May 27 20:21:51 Pierre	and is scriptable, can send mail, nttp, irc, etc...
158862:May 27 20:21:58 helly25	any public url?
158863:May 27 20:22:09 Sebast1an	No, not yet.
158864:May 27 20:22:24 Sebast1an	When I mentioned his efforts on the internals list there was no interest in this.
158865:May 27 20:23:12 Pierre	Sebast1an, when did you do? I remember the sources search engine, not this one :P I just spent one hour to find back this url (I read it in a book earlier today :)
158866:May 27 20:24:33 Sebast1an	http://phpfi.com/120225
158867:May 27 20:25:04 Sebast1an	Sebastian maintains a SVN repository that has all the scripts and configurations neccessary for this kind of setup.
158868:May 27 20:25:08 Sebast1an	Just ask him.
158869:May 27 20:26:51 Sebast1an	bbl
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158872:May 27 20:44:07 helly25	you fucking asshole pierre
158873:May 27 20:44:18 helly25	since when do you decide about the names of my projects
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158887:May 27 22:41:45 chinstrap	"Directive 'register_globals' is no longer supported in PHP6" - why is this a Fatal one? :-) (and shouldn't it be "PHP 6" instead of "PHP6"?</nitpick>)
158888:May 27 22:42:36 Derick	you are right about the nitpick
158889:May 27 22:42:41 chinstrap	i can't even "php -i" to see which php.ini is being used :-)
158890:May 27 22:43:04 chinstrap	ok, I'll change the nitpick :-)
158891:May 27 22:43:25 tony2001	php -n -i
158892:May 27 22:46:24 chinstrap	did it with strace ;-)
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